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What age is appropriate?


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kids will be kids, if they wanna come here i see no reason why they shouldn't be allowed, and if their parents see the shit that happens here and they don't like it they can take them off themselves, the onl thing that bothers me is the annoying ones -_-

but i suppose there's nothing you can do about it really unless you wanna start a kiddie section, kinda like playing in the balls at mcdonalds.. *sniff* i miss that
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Well spoken Water...No sickfish there cannot be a rating system with a forum...Simply because of the fact that people can still evade that. I mean...With the porno sites they give an intro saying are you 18 or older...and then you hit ok and jerk off...but i mean this isnt really something that needs to be blocked off from the local public or from the kids...hell if i had kids i honestly would reccomend them here for the face that everyone is so respectful and friendly...But that's the end of my rant so yeah

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Thanks for all the replies.

I'm still confused as to whether this was a site issue or a station issue.


It's a site issue. Not a station one. In many ways your site is more volatile than your station could ever be, but anyway. Tired of discussing this. Close the thread when you wish.

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Problem: Interpretation.

You are not screwing up. Possibility that what is said, viewed or intimated by others could be problematic.

Said when thread began, this was for discussion. Said I could be simple overly cautious and could be completely wrong. Did not say this about you. Did not say you were at fault. Speculated problems could be not far off, based on what others read, or understand, based on malleable minds. No more and no less.

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Protocol,

You stated that you were being vague and the problem with the argument here is that you are being too vague. You are asking for some sort of defense and are even speaking of legalities about a subject you have yet to be very specific about. Granted, we haven't seen every post on the board, so we are at a loss as to what you consider inappropriate and what age you think they are inappropriate for. You would strengthen your case by offering specific examples of what it is you are talking about, even if you only do so in a private email to Water.

The point that someone will embellish an inappropriate behavior because of what they read or hear on this website is only a valid argument to an extent. The main question to ask is: Where are the parents of the individuals that are too young for the topics discussed on this website? If you can argue that the owner and administrators of this website have a legal responsibility, then you could also argue that the parents share an even greater responsibility, not only legally, but morally as well. During our time in running our websites which are focused on domestic violence and child abuse, as well as our studies in college, we have heard many cases where children have obtained their parents' credit card in order to sign up for hard-core pornography websites. So, simply having a legal disclaimer or even an age limit does not stop the flow of underage people to forums that can be deemed "mature". But, once again, since you have offered no specific example of what it is you are speaking about, it makes any response difficult to formulate.

During our experience in moderating other forums we have been accused of everything from being "Nazis" to being "communists" to being flat-out "criminal" because of our attempts at keeping adult content to a minimum. It seems if you do not moderate enough, you are wrong. If you moderate enough, you are still wrong. If you let everyone do what they want to do, you are being criminal. If you over-moderate, you are worse than Hitler himself. So, thus the question is: What is an appropriate level of moderation? To be honest, on a website such as this, that should be left up to the owner and when people under eighteen years of age visit a website like this, it is up to their parents to understand the content and to discuss appropriateness with them. As someone who is going into the child abuse field, I am a firm believer in parents knowing the actions of their children, both online and offline. To be honest, there is only a certain amount that Water can do to protect children from what is on the internet, and that includes this website. The world cannot exist in a G-rated state and expect everyone to be happy, content, and able to enjoy their time on this earth. That is why children have parents and that is the job of a parent. It is not the job of the school teacher to tell parents how to raise their children at home and we think the same thing can be applied here. We are not certain that if this website is being run within legal parameters it is anyone else's job to decide what is and is not appropriate for the forums here. The owner has assigned moderators and administrators, and he has told them what accepted parameters for content are. Other than that, it is for each child's parent or guardian to be well aware of what is being done on their computers and in cyberspace.

As we stated above, citing a specific instance of what you consider inappropriate would strengthen your case and clear up alot of confusion.

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well whatever you do just don't make anymore rules!!! bah they're starting to get annoying :P
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exactly! it would be ridiculous to require a credit card or something similar to "verify" age. this site can't be held responsible for preventing access to whomever should be denied access (i'd say "children", but definitions, etc.) there's a warning. just as with TV and movies, it's a guardian's responsibility to determine what is and what isn't appropriate.

another alternative would be, as suggested above, to maintain a G-rated state. exciting!
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what age is appropriate?

that's not a idea that we should have....but parents. we shouldn't take it upon oursleves to be the watchdog for what is said and done here. i could see not exposing them to nudity or graphic violence...but vulgarity? i think that it should be a parnets responsabilty to judge how adjusted a kid is, before they ever sent them online alone. but this is america....(atleast here) and its not that way. should we censor outselves? no. should we take steps that restricted access to minors? no. should we keep harmful pictures or stuff off this site? maybe. depends if it has a point or not. kinda like the thread water made. it was disturbing..but it had a point. to wrap this up...i think that its a fine line that we tread here at this station. just be glad you have a place to go and pretty much speak your mind and not worry about the police breaking down the door and beating you.

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The fragile mind is perhaps best kept from the internet no matter what age. If a child is actively seeking material that will disturb they will find it no matter what..In the case of this site you would not expect to be unduely disturbed but you would expect dark elements to be present.

Forums contain a slice of the global population..as such there is no filter capable of intelligently handling such variety..The age of posters would not be of great importance were everyone to stick by the forum rules. However if a situation does arise no doubt policies will change, as a person who has used the internet for well over ten years now (which would make me a minor when I started) I can say that the internet has not made me do anything against my character, the worry is that a child already predisposed to antisocial behaviour will develop such bad behaviour through what they are exposed to. For the most part the worry that they will become worse people through simply using a forum I think is unfounded....the only real area of concern is whether a website such as this could in the future be held legaly accountable for a young offenders actions and I think this unlikely from the sites content.

You may as well start putting an age limit on all forms of free expression.
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i just reread something that water said early...

i think of most of you guys as family....somewhat strange family...but if i need some advice...i come to you guys....as well as my off line friends. i have come to water manytimes in the past seeking sage advice. so there is love and caring here..despite the stigma of being a "darksite" i mena..we take care of are own...hence the family. i guess it only right that we think of the younger....but still there should be some responsablity of the parnets

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ha ha ha good one..
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Ash, you just summed up one of the goals of this site. 'togetherness'
We are a community of friends and peers, with quite a range of knowledge all around on various topics.

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I know I jumped in late in the game but I'm trying to figure out whats being brought up. I believe the Protocol (as in all cases) was just stating his opinion. Regardless of what anyone else thinks of this site, while I enjoy it, I wouldn't let my kids on here until they were mature enough to handle it. Now granted I don't have any kids, and if I did, I probably wouldn't be monitoring their online activity. I do however, think that this site is very educational for people already mature enough to handle the information. Granted there are some cases, but I can tell you if I had stumbled on this site 2 years ago, I would have run for my life. Not because it's bad but because at that level of maturity (or lack there of) it would have seemed very alien and scary to me. Now I hope that those who come and visit, even stay, at this site enjoy it for what it is, a place to speak freely about anything and everything...

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you know what this thread is good for? when some pissed off parent comes here and bitches that their children were subjected to this, we have alot of good reasons why it's not our fault :)
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A thread that has been meandering along caught my eye today, and I posted my comments within. You'll see why I am posting a link here, as it leads back to this topic.

http://www.secondshifters.com/forums/index...opic=863&st=180

I don't have much else to say on this score, and I won't support or condone what's surely going to occur next, so I'm withdrawing from this forum.

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