[13:46] <@Atnevon> oOOOOO. Welcome Alex!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [13:46] <@BigFoot> I've gotten disconnected from RTBH twice now O.o #06[13:46] * @SanctuaryRTBH waves [13:46] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Hello Alex :) [13:46] Hey there #03[13:46] * Atnevon sets mode: +v AlexTSN [13:46] <+AlexTSN> How goes? [13:46] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Goes good thanks - how are you? [13:46] allo Alex [13:46] hola [13:46] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Okay - yep dancing [13:46] <+AlexTSN> Doing decently. In the midst of grading my students' composition projects. [13:46] <@SanctuaryRTBH> :) [13:47] <+AlexTSN> Hello all [13:47] <@Atnevon> everybody's enjoying your interview :) [13:47] <+AlexTSN> Glad to hear it. [13:47] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Are the projects good? or are you ripping out your hair? [13:47] <+AlexTSN> With any luck I'll not wind up bald. [13:47] <@BigFoot> Note to self: Request current song once in a while. [13:47] <@SanctuaryRTBH> LOL Alex [13:48] <@Atnevon> this is a great song :) [13:48] <@SanctuaryRTBH> RTBH - Doncha worry I play it a lot :) [13:48] <@BigFoot> ... [13:48] <@BigFoot> BigFoot or RTB ;] [13:48] <@BigFoot> Still no H in either :] [13:48] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Its - awesome - makes you think - "what is that inside me?" Blood. soul, hmmmm [13:48] <@SanctuaryRTBH> But I like the H [13:48] <@BigFoot> That has wrong connotations to me O.o [13:48] <@BigFoot> Anyway [13:48] <@SanctuaryRTBH> LOL [13:49] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Don't make me tie you back up [13:49] <@BigFoot> Why bother? I can't go anywhere [13:49] <@SanctuaryRTBH> true #06[13:49] * @SanctuaryRTBH gives RTB a icepack. See I care #06[13:49] * @BigFoot pets sanct [13:49] <@SanctuaryRTBH> aweee ty #06[13:50] * @BigFoot watches his foot freeze and turn blue [13:50] <@BigFoot> Dang, strong icepack. [13:50] <@SanctuaryRTBH> oh oh oh [13:50] <@SanctuaryRTBH> sorryyyyy [13:50] <@SanctuaryRTBH> that was dry ice [13:50] <@SanctuaryRTBH> my bad [13:50] okay sadly I have to get ready for work. :( [13:50] <@SanctuaryRTBH> ?me wraps foot neatly in proper ice [13:50] <@BigFoot> Minor error, really. [13:50] <@BigFoot> I only lose a foot because of it O.o [13:51] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Awee *hugs* Deathfey - Have a good day there! [13:51] <+AlexTSN> Enjoy your work. [13:51] <@BigFoot> You better make up for it later? ;] [13:51] <@SanctuaryRTBH> lol [13:51] thank you Sanct. take care everyone! [13:51] <@SanctuaryRTBH> :) [13:51] <@BigFoot> Well, you did tie me up for something. [13:51] and thank you Alex [13:51] thanks! [13:51] <@Atnevon> hope work goes well deathfey [13:51] <@SanctuaryRTBH> lol so you couldn't tickle me! [13:51] yes. [13:51] <@BigFoot> Me, tickle you? [13:51] <@BigFoot> Nah. [13:51] <@SanctuaryRTBH> ermm yes? #02[13:51] * DeathFey Quit (Connection Closed#) [13:51] <@BigFoot> I poke. [13:51] <@SanctuaryRTBH> lol true [13:52] <@SanctuaryRTBH> but it makes me giggle [13:52] <@BigFoot> Third time I got kicked off [13:52] <@BigFoot> Weird. [13:52] <@SanctuaryRTBH> I didn't do it - I swear [13:52] <@Atnevon> kicked off? [13:52] <@BigFoot> It just says [buffer 0%] [13:52] <@BigFoot> And no sound [13:53] <@BigFoot> And reconnecting fixes it [13:53] <@BigFoot> I'm not even lagging that bad [13:53] <@Atnevon> ooo... what isp do you use rtb? [13:53] <@BigFoot> Chello. As visible per hostmask [13:53] <@SanctuaryRTBH> I knew it! Hes got a mask! [13:53] <@Atnevon> what kind of connection is that? dsl? cable? or something else? [13:53] <@BigFoot> cable [13:54] <@SanctuaryRTBH> I don't see anything funny here. #06[13:54] * @SanctuaryRTBH sways [13:54] <@BigFoot> Seriously, only pinging 15 - 800 to chello.nl #06[13:54] * @SanctuaryRTBH searches for errors [13:55] <@Atnevon> everything looking good here too... wondering if maybe it's not a packet shaping thingy by your cable company [13:55] <@BigFoot> Bang [13:55] <@Atnevon> eeep. bang? #03[13:56] * Guest47639 has joined #darksites.com [13:56] <@BigFoot> It's probably on my end [13:57] <@SanctuaryRTBH> I love how honest that is about sharing music [13:57] <@Atnevon> Alex put this one into words better than I could ever hope to come up with on my own. Great job Alex :) [13:58] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Yep I agree - cause hes being honest about it - which is where a lot of people fail. They want to appear "oh no no I'm perfectly legal all the time" [13:58] <@SanctuaryRTBH> when - thats not the case [13:58] <@SanctuaryRTBH> or - they wont download music - but think its okay to torrent a film [13:58] <@BigFoot> When you're merely alive you violate dozens of patents already. [13:58] <@Atnevon> yeah... and that's just silly of them [13:58] i agree, when you don't have the album liner notes it lessens the experience with the artist [13:59] <@SanctuaryRTBH> It does. I never used to read the covers [13:59] <@SanctuaryRTBH> But now [13:59] <@SanctuaryRTBH> I really get more out of it. #06[13:59] * @BigFoot pet pokes sanct [13:59] <@SanctuaryRTBH> So much of music is about connection etc. #06[13:59] * @SanctuaryRTBH giggles [14:00] <@Atnevon> so much work goes into albums that you never see with downloading... and a lot of people these days just get the one hit song if they're downloading illegally... which just kills the experience you get from a full album [14:00] true dat! #03[14:00] * Guest24255 has joined #darksites.com [14:00] <@SanctuaryRTBH> very true [14:00] <@BigFoot> Though I sometimes do see the argument that often that a commercial album ends up being 1 - 2 good songs and the rest filler. [14:00] <@Atnevon> hi there guest. welcome :) [14:00] <@SanctuaryRTBH> hello guesty [14:00] <@SanctuaryRTBH> to change your nicks, type in: /nick [14:01] <@SanctuaryRTBH> leave out the < > though #02[14:01] * Guest24255 Quit (Connection Closed#) #03[14:01] * Guest46466 has joined #darksites.com [14:01] <@SanctuaryRTBH> I agree RTB [14:01] <@BigFoot> I wouldn't know if that is true, since my only music comes from old downloaded songs and RTBH [14:01] <@SanctuaryRTBH> I remember as a kid – listening to some albums 1 - 2 good songs and never buying another from that artists again [14:02] <@Atnevon> I almost thing some of the reason that happens is because of the way the industry is going... artists start to focus more on having one or two really good songs than on the whole album sometimes... it's really sad to see [14:02] <@SanctuaryRTBH> yep - but - its always been that way. [14:02] <@Atnevon> true [14:02] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Business ppffttttttttttttttttt [14:02] <@Atnevon> eeeeevil riaa and stuff [14:02] i think that has more to do with Big labels producing in a way that doesn't showcase the artists' talents to the maximum [14:02] <@BigFoot> Wait, I actually sparked a discussion here? [14:02] <@SanctuaryRTBH> not just them remember its the same in film [14:02] <+AlexTSN> Though there are some albums with some on them that initially seemed less engaging, but which eventually became my favorites. I find that oftentimes if I am really wowed by a song on the first listen, it's an indicator that I'm likely to grow tired of the song more quickly than something else that might reveal itself more gradually. [14:02] <@BigFoot> Creepy. [14:03] <@SanctuaryRTBH> investors what to make $ - so - they stick to tried and true methods [14:03] yeah. i notice that happens to me also, where a song i really like at first gets old too fast [14:03] <@BigFoot> btw, is it Alex I'm hearing now? [14:03] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Alex - thats true - I've had songs liek that "grow" on me [14:03] <@Atnevon> yep, it is rtb :) [14:03] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Yessum thats Alex :) [14:03] <@BigFoot> Neat. #06[14:03] * @BigFoot gives Alex a cookie [14:04] <@SanctuaryRTBH> aweeee [14:04] <@BigFoot> You'll get yours soon enough sanct ;] [14:04] <+AlexTSN> You shouldn't have. Thanks. [14:04] <@SanctuaryRTBH> lol #06[14:04] * @SanctuaryRTBH hopes Alex is not allergic to peanuts [14:04] heh [14:04] <@BigFoot> Mine's a chocolate cookie O.o [14:05] <+AlexTSN> I like peanuts and have no allergies. [14:05] I was going to suggest a glass of milk with that cookie, but thought twice bc he might be vegan! :) [14:05] <+AlexTSN> Nah. Milk & cookies are a natural pairing. [14:05] <+AlexTSN> I'm vegetarian but not vegan. [14:05] <@SanctuaryRTBH> :) OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :) [14:05] <@BigFoot> Still, what would be wrong with offering it, if you can't know if someones a vegan? [14:05] That's cool. [14:05] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Alex doesn't eats friends :) [14:05] <@Atnevon> very good point Alex. sometimes the catchiest songs get bad quick. and good point on film sanctuary. I wish there was a solution to really inspire creativity and being daring with new ideas [14:06] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Eventually - but it will have to come from consumers I think. [14:06] <@BigFoot> I think my record for listening to one song only was Gigi D'agostino - The Riddle [14:06] everyone draws their inspiration in a unique way. there's no magic solution. not for me anyways. [14:06] <+AlexTSN> It's tougher with film because the budgets are so huge. Thankfully, a musician doesn't need investors in the same way that a filmmaker does. [14:06] <@SanctuaryRTBH> I play this song after I play "Lady in the Water" intro - often :) [14:07] <@BigFoot> I disagree: films do not require huge budgets to succeed. [14:07] <+AlexTSN> But once you get people putting their money into something, they expect a creative say as well. [14:07] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Alex - Not all budgets are huge - but mainstream yes - they get ridiculously massive. [14:07] <+AlexTSN> They don't need them, no, [14:07] <+AlexTSN> but [14:07] <+AlexTSN> there are certain things that one simply cannot achieve in film without money [14:07] <+AlexTSN> or massive, massive amounts of very skilled labor #03[14:07] * Guest5867 has joined #darksites.com [14:07] <@BigFoot> CGI. [14:07] <+AlexTSN> which of course also costs money [14:07] <@BigFoot> O_o [14:07] <@Atnevon> hi there guest :) welcome [14:07] <@BigFoot> A dutchie! [14:08] <+AlexTSN> Wie spreekt nederlands? [Translation: Who speaks Dutch?] [14:08] <@BigFoot> Ikke. [Translation: Me.] [14:08] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Alex - yes they do. And I can appreciate that from a business POV - however - I wish some of the mainstream music people would realise they aren't always right with directions they want a band to take. Maybe - just maybe - the creative people who - well - created it - might know a little better then the suits ;) [14:08] <+AlexTSN> Ah okay. Ih heb in Eindhoven gewoont tien jaren geleden [Translation: Ah okay. I lived in Eindhoven ten years ago.] [14:09] <+AlexTSN> mijn nederlands is nog niet kwijt, maar het blijft niet zo goed [Translation: I haven't lost my Dutch yet, but it is not so good.] [14:09] <@BigFoot> Curious coincedence [14:09] <@BigFoot> Ik merk het :] [Translation: I noticed :]] #06[14:09] * @Atnevon looks at the text a little crooked, lol [14:10] <@BigFoot> And you definately lost your accent. [14:10] <+AlexTSN> Agreed that bands often get the cookie cutter treatment when big labels get involved [14:10] <@BigFoot> The typical dutchie talking english accent. [14:10] <+AlexTSN> hah. [14:10] <@SanctuaryRTBH> LOL [14:10] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Dutchie [14:10] <@SanctuaryRTBH> ?me sways [14:10] <@SanctuaryRTBH> brb door [14:10] <@SanctuaryRTBH> wthelk [14:10] <@SanctuaryRTBH> brb [14:11] <@Atnevon> kk [14:11] <@BigFoot> sanct sure is typoing a lot #02[14:11] * Guest47272 Quit (Ping Timeout#) [14:11] nice. i like that about not putting something out just for the sake of making an album. #02[14:11] * Guest18166 Quit (Ping Timeout#) [14:11] <@Atnevon> yes, quite honorable [14:12] I prefer more genuine music that comes from a deeper place. Not something that happened bc a contract was signed to agree to produce so many albums in a given period of time. [14:12] <@BigFoot> The one with the money generally makes the rules though [14:12] <@BigFoot> True maeceans are rare nowadays. [14:12] <@BigFoot> If I'm not typoing that name O.o [14:12] i know. getting started must be difficult in the music biz bc of that. [14:13] unless you can remain indie. [14:14] <+AlexTSN> *nod* TSN was very lucky in that our first record deal was a smile-and-handshake arrangement with full artistic control. Not much distribution or publicity, but it allowed us to take an album or two figure out what we were doing [14:14] <@BigFoot> maecenas? [14:14] <+AlexTSN> we probably actually made the first record (the self-titled one) before we were ready to do an album, and hence it's a bit different than the others [14:14] <@BigFoot> I'm supposed to know the bloody name. [14:14] <@BigFoot> Argh. [14:15] <@BigFoot> Yay, it's Maecenas [14:15] <@SanctuaryRTBH> backies [14:16] <@Atnevon> welcome back sanctuary! #02[14:16] * Guest37477 Quit (Connection Closed#) #03[14:16] * Guest9112 has joined #darksites.com [14:16] <@SanctuaryRTBH> ty atnevon [14:16] <@SanctuaryRTBH> RTB shut it over my typing else I will tape your trap shut ;) [14:16] <@WetBot> Now Playing: ThouShaltNot - A Dream. [14:16] <@Atnevon> 15 minutes until moderation time guys :) #06[14:16] * @BigFoot tpyopokes sanct [14:16] <@BigFoot> ;] [14:17] <@SanctuaryRTBH> lol [14:17] <@SanctuaryRTBH> :-p [14:17] <@BigFoot> You might want to save a few snippets from before moderation Atnevon [14:17] <@SanctuaryRTBH> good thought s RTB #06[14:17] * @SanctuaryRTBH kicks RTB [14:17] <@BigFoot> Yes, I have those once in a while. [14:17] <@BigFoot> More often than sanct, nonetheless. [14:17] <+AlexTSN> (A Dream is one of my two favorites on that record) [14:18] <@SanctuaryRTBH> lol yes you do [14:18] <@SanctuaryRTBH> :) Alex [14:19] <@Atnevon> we've got a special dedication on air for you next Alex :) [14:19] <@SanctuaryRTBH> :-D [14:20] <+AlexTSN> I confess that I don't have the sound turned on on the site [14:20] <+AlexTSN> But I'll switch it on [14:21] <@Atnevon> ahh, kk. we'll wait a song for you to get tuned in then :) [14:21] <@WetBot> Now Playing: RTBH. [14:21] <@SanctuaryRTBH> :-o Alexxxxxxxxxx [14:21] <@WetBot> Now Playing: ThouShaltNot - Embrace the Sun. [14:21] <@SanctuaryRTBH> bad [14:21] <@SanctuaryRTBH> bad #06[14:21] * @BigFoot pokes sanct then hops on one leg into the shadows #06[14:21] * @SanctuaryRTBH giggles #06[14:22] * @SanctuaryRTBH wonders what else she can get Alex to confees too ;) [14:22] <@SanctuaryRTBH> confess* [14:22] <@Atnevon> ooo :) #06[14:23] * @SanctuaryRTBH puts on priest Robes #06[14:23] * @SanctuaryRTBH tucks hair into a wig [14:23] <+AlexTSN> Okay. I'm listening [14:23] <@Atnevon> wheeee :) #06[14:23] * @SanctuaryRTBH makes more popcorn [14:23] <+AlexTSN> Embrace the Sun is currently playing. [14:24] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Yes it is :) [14:24] <+AlexTSN> Joel Beauchemin, a college friend of mine, played violin on this trac [14:24] <+AlexTSN> k [14:24] <@SanctuaryRTBH> :) [14:25] <+AlexTSN> This song, actually, started as a remix for another band [14:25] <+AlexTSN> but I liked it so much that I scrapped their vocals [14:25] <+AlexTSN> retooled it a bit [14:25] <@SanctuaryRTBH> LOL [14:25] <@SanctuaryRTBH> What band? [14:25] <@Atnevon> oo. what was the other band? [14:25] <+AlexTSN> and put my own song on it [14:25] <@Atnevon> oops, sanct beat me to the punch :) [14:25] <+AlexTSN> My lips are sealed on that. [14:26] <@SanctuaryRTBH> I type fast - just not accurate. Darn good thing I'm not a secretary taking dictation! [14:26] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Seal lips are okay lol I can respect that. [14:27] <@SanctuaryRTBH> We all have our share of secrets ;) [14:27] <@WetBot> Now Playing: secondshifterstheme. [14:27] <@BigFoot> Better than for example Sanct's lips going open and closed hundreds of times per minute for talking continuously ;] #06[14:27] * @SanctuaryRTBH slaps RTB #06[14:27] * @BigFoot flies into the wall [14:28] <@SanctuaryRTBH> teach you for messin' with a nephilim :-p [14:28] <@WetBot> Now Playing: Falco - Rock Me Amadeus. [14:28] <+AlexTSN> Ah good. The English or German version? [14:28] <@SanctuaryRTBH> German [14:28] <+AlexTSN> Nice! [14:28] <@SanctuaryRTBH> :-D [14:28] <+AlexTSN> A friend of mine was visiting Vienna shortly after Falco died, [14:28] <@SanctuaryRTBH> :( [14:29] <+AlexTSN> and he told me about hearing this song in a supermarket [14:29] <@WetBot> VAMPIRE! [14:29] <@Atnevon> Sanctuary has a great taste in music and a great collection to go with it :) [14:29] <@WetBot> Vampire! [14:29] <+AlexTSN> and evidently, like, three people started breaking down crying in the dairy aisle [14:29] <@SanctuaryRTBH> TOASTER!!!!!!!!!!! [14:29] That's a sad story... [14:29] <@Atnevon> oh no :( [14:29] But I believe it. [14:29] <@SanctuaryRTBH> awee that is sad. And very moving too. [14:30] <+AlexTSN> Kind of funny how a frivolous pop song can take on a meaning like that though. [14:30] <@SanctuaryRTBH> It's amazing the attachment people form with music and musicians. [14:30] <@WetBot> Now Playing: ThouShaltNot - Crash. [14:30] <+AlexTSN> Context is everything [14:31] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Yes. [14:31] <@Atnevon> Okay, 4 more minutes guys until moderation #06[14:31] * @SanctuaryRTBH sways #06[14:32] * @BigFoot adds spin [14:32] <+AlexTSN> This is an old song. I kind of prefer the remix of it on YWUY. We used to close concerts with this, and the stage would have candles on it. I'd snuff out the candles throughout the song, and at the final crashing sound, I'd blow the last one out. [14:32] <@SanctuaryRTBH> lol [14:32] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Very nice Alex. [14:32] <+AlexTSN> Very cheesy "gothic" but it was a nice theatrical touch. [14:33] <+AlexTSN> The delay patterns on the drums on this song show up on about half the songs from our first two albums. L/R channels got a 3/8 and 5/8 beat delay respectively. It gave a nice bouncing effect. [14:33] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Stage performance I think is good for the bands. They get to add visual touches to music. Giving the audience more of a 'connected' feeling. [14:34] <@BigFoot> can't connect Atnevon. [14:34] <@Atnevon> to the stream bigfoot? [14:34] <+AlexTSN> agreed [14:34] <@Atnevon> er.. rtb [14:34] <@BigFoot> BigFoot is fine ;] [14:34] <@BigFoot> I time out on both links. [14:34] <@Atnevon> weeeird [14:34] <@WetBot> Now Playing: ThouShaltNot - A Trace. [14:35] <@BigFoot> got an addy I can ping? [14:35] <@SanctuaryRTBH> oO poor RTB [14:35] <@Atnevon> ip is **.**.**.*** [14:35] <@Atnevon> you can try pasting http://**.**.**.***:**** into your player [14:35] <@BigFoot> The ip one in the list differs [14:35] <@Atnevon> in case it's dns related [14:35] <@BigFoot> starts with 207 [14:35] <@BigFoot> ah [14:35] <@Atnevon> ahh, yeah, that's older [14:35] <@BigFoot> That explains it. [14:36] <+AlexTSN> Aaron, the band's drummer, mostly put this one together. I added the toy piano part you're hearing now, [14:36] <@SanctuaryRTBH> server was adjusted [14:36] <+AlexTSN> and the vocals were done by a friend, Chris Moore. [14:36] <@SanctuaryRTBH> :) [14:36] <+AlexTSN> He's got a project called Axis II. He did an album produced by one of the guys from Machines of Loving Grace [14:36] <+AlexTSN> though I don't think it has been released yet [14:36] <@SanctuaryRTBH> This is a really interesting composition. [14:36] <@Atnevon> okay, moderation time guys. If you find you can't talk, it's okay. We'll let you talk again in a bit :) [14:36] <+AlexTSN> Those are vocoded drums you're hearing #03[14:37] * Atnevon sets mode: +m [14:37] <@SanctuaryRTBH> I'm about to show my music ignorance - what are Vocoded drums? [14:37] <+AlexTSN> and the obligatory Dune sample [14:37] <+AlexTSN> vocoding is a process whereby you apply the sonic spectrum of one sound to another's carrier (fundamental) frequency [14:37] <+AlexTSN> usually it's done to vocals [14:37] <@WetBot> Now Playing: ThouShaltNot - Dying Boy. [14:38] <+AlexTSN> Wrote this song when I was 16. [14:38] <+AlexTSN> I wish I'd gotten a slightly better vocal on it. [14:39] <+AlexTSN> I like how new wave ballad it is. [14:39] <@Atnevon> very nice, especially for 16 :) [14:39] <@Atnevon> We're here with Alex Reed from ThouShaltNot, and on behalf of Sanctuary, Myself, and all of us here at Second Shifters, I have to say that it's an honor to have you with us today. You've proven yourself a very insightful and gifted artist with both the songs you write and the answers you gave in our interview. [14:39] <+AlexTSN> Thanks very much [14:39] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Thank you for the explanation Alex :) You've help expand my brain :) [14:39] <+AlexTSN> no problem #03[14:40] * Guest176 has joined #darksites.com #03[14:40] * Guest176 is now known as frozenice [14:40] <@Atnevon> one of our listeners (whose birthday it is today, btw), MythHorn, submitted a number of questions for you, so we'll start out with those :) [14:40] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Hi Frozen [14:40] <+AlexTSN> Sounds great. [14:40] <+AlexTSN> Happy birthday, btw. [14:40] <@Atnevon> Her first question was: How did you get involved in the "Neil Gaiman - Where's Neil When You Need Him" album? Why did you chose the work that you based your song on. What appealed to you about that writing? [14:41] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Side note: MythHorn says (2:43 PM): [14:41] <@SanctuaryRTBH> I say thanks to Alex for the bday wish [14:41] <@SanctuaryRTBH> :) [14:41] <@WetBot> Now Playing: ThouShaltNot - Idol. #03[14:41] * Guest55043 has joined #darksites.com #02[14:41] * Guest55043 Quit (Connection Closed#) [14:41] <+AlexTSN> I got into Sandman when I was in high school (freshman or sophomore year... 93-95 ish), and have been a Gaiman fan since then. #03[14:42] * Guest31806 has joined #darksites.com #02[14:42] * Guest31806 Quit (Connection Closed#) [14:42] <+AlexTSN> The idea for the compilation had been floating around for a few years before it actually happened [14:42] <@SanctuaryRTBH> guest do not be alarmed - you've entered a temporarily moderated chat. [14:42] <+AlexTSN> Patrick Rodgers, the label owner for Dancing Ferret, was putting it together [14:43] <+AlexTSN> and as soon as I heard about it, I got the idea to write When Everyone Forgets, because I've always been interested in the idea of whether a forgotten god could exist [14:43] <+AlexTSN> or whether they rely on the belief of others the be [14:43] <+AlexTSN> to be, rather [14:43] <+AlexTSN> I recorded the song in Virginia, when I was living in Williamsburg [14:43] <+AlexTSN> Aaron recorded the drums in Columbus [14:43] <+AlexTSN> Jeremy did the guitar in Pittsburgh [14:44] <+AlexTSN> I met NG briefly in Pittsburgh, but I doubt he remembers me. #02[14:44] * Guest5867 Quit (Connection Closed#) [14:44] <+AlexTSN> Does that answer the question at all? #02[14:45] * frozenice Quit (Connection Closed#) #03[14:45] * Guest94111 has joined #darksites.com [14:45] <@BigFoot> Looks ok to me :] [14:45] <@WetBot> Now Playing: ThouShaltNot - In the Tower. [14:45] <@Atnevon> yep, very nice answer :) Sorry for the delay there. [14:46] <+AlexTSN> No problem. [14:46] <@SanctuaryRTBH> I think its interesting as a choice. :) #02[14:46] * Guest94111 Quit (Connection Closed#) [14:46] <+AlexTSN> (the currently playing song originally had a bunch of lyrics but the vocal take was lost in a major computer crash) [14:46] <@Atnevon> She also asked: What results did you get on making public your remix kit? What was included in that kit? [14:46] <+AlexTSN> (and we decided just to leave it minimalistic with the first line after that) [14:46] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Meep @ lost [14:47] <+AlexTSN> We've gotten a handful of remixes by others of our music... [14:47] <+AlexTSN> some of them made their way onto releases (Ego Likeness's take on Inside of You In Spite of You) [14:47] <+AlexTSN> and there are a few others lying around that may or may not see the light of day [14:48] <+AlexTSN> there's a neat stripped down version of Cardinal Directions, [14:48] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Ones that may or may not reach the light of day - does that become your choice? or the labels? [14:48] <+AlexTSN> a few versions of The Projectionist, and a guitar-based mix of Crawling Deeper [14:48] <+AlexTSN> Mostly ours. The label has been pretty good about giving us artistic control over TSN's output [14:48] <@WetBot> Now Playing: ThouShaltNot - Within You. [14:49] <+AlexTSN> Man, you guys are breaking out a bunch of old stuff. This song was done for a David Bowie tribute. [14:50] <@SanctuaryRTBH> LOL You are a sum of all you've done ;) and then some :) #03[14:50] * Garrison has joined #darksites.com [14:50] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Hi Garrison - chat is temp modded [14:51] <@Atnevon> Okay, another one from her: [14:51] <@Atnevon> Did the break from the public view that occurred during the time that you were working on the new CD affect your music in any way? [14:51] <@WetBot> Now Playing: ThouShaltNot - Trains. [14:52] <+AlexTSN> Yes. By being away from performing, and hence from exposure to the goth scene, it helped me to step back and reassess what I wanted out of my music [14:53] <+AlexTSN> and so Land Dispute ended up being I think our most "honest" album, in that it is really vulnerable. [14:53] <+AlexTSN> It's less about taking part in a musical idiom, and more about finding oneself amidst desperation, [14:54] <+AlexTSN> and having the ground pulled out from underneath, both emotionally and musically, #03[14:54] * Guest22372 has joined #darksites.com [14:54] <@SanctuaryRTBH> guest do not be alarmed - you've entered a temporarily moderated chat. [14:54] <+AlexTSN> because I discovered that as much as I love big lush synthpop, I needed to go in directions of more raw and bloody music. [14:55] <+AlexTSN> Hence the sound of a song like Trains, which is now playing. [14:55] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Do you think that was a part of you growing as a musician or more as a person? [14:55] <+AlexTSN> This doesn't mean that the earlier work is less honest at all, but it was really something I needed to get out of my system. [14:56] <+AlexTSN> I think it reflects growing as both a musician and a person. The two are not really separable to me. [14:56] <@WetBot> Now Playing: ThouShaltNot - React. [14:56] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Was there one moment where you can fully remember that transition for you? [14:57] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Something that kicked it all off for you? [14:57] <+AlexTSN> Land Dispute is not more musically complex necessarily than that which came before it, but it's more fearlessly scared [14:57] <+AlexTSN> Hrm. [14:57] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Fearlessly scared - good word #03[14:57] * DeathFey (FlashUser@208.228.243.BN65=) has joined #darksites.com [14:57] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Alex - don't worry - if its too personal - you dont have to answer it [14:57] <@SanctuaryRTBH> I wont eat you ;) I promise. #03[14:57] * Guest22372 is now known as Kaelanna [14:58] <+AlexTSN> Probably my discovery of The Chameleons. Hearing them and getting into their music was really cathartic, and it triggered a lot of rethinking about music. [14:58] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Hi deathfey and Kaelanna - do not be alarmed - you've entered a temporarily moderated chat. [14:58] <+AlexTSN> Emotionally, I wrote a lot of Land Dispute when I was living alone, away from my bandmates, my friends, my family [14:58] <+AlexTSN> I had taken a one-year job in Virginia, and it was productive but lonely, [14:59] <+AlexTSN> and I was kind of coming to terms with no longer being a kid #02[14:59] * DeathFey Quit (Connection Closed#) [14:59] <+AlexTSN> So it was a lot of things. [14:59] <@WetBot> Now Playing: ThouShaltNot - Inside of You. [14:59] <@SanctuaryRTBH> *nods* [15:00] <@SanctuaryRTBH> The title of the album is interesting - where did it come from? #03[15:00] * DeathFey has joined #darksites.com [15:00] <@SanctuaryRTBH> wb Deathfey [15:00] <+AlexTSN> It came from a discussion between me and Jeremy, the guitarist, about themes for album art [15:01] <+AlexTSN> (the currently playing song was written in Burlington, Vermont, when I was teaching math one summer; it was completed in the car on the way to the gig at which it was debuted in Cleveland) [15:02] <@SanctuaryRTBH> not to Atnevon - I told you so!!!!! (We had a debate on subjects you taught) ;) I said Math and English were two [15:02] <@Atnevon> LOL. Sanctuary wins :) [15:02] <+AlexTSN> I've taught high school math and english, and I now teach college music theory. [15:03] <+AlexTSN> English, rather (apologies for not capitalizing) [15:03] <@SanctuaryRTBH> lol considering my typos - don't worry. ;) #03[15:03] * Guest57665 has joined #darksites.com [15:03] <@SanctuaryRTBH> How do your students take to your music? [15:03] <+AlexTSN> I was a math geek in high school; I went to the nationals for math and for trivia as the New Hampshire team captain. [15:03] <@WetBot> Now Playing: ThouShaltNot - Let Your Silence Sing. #02[15:03] * Guest57665 Quit (Connection Closed#) [15:04] <@SanctuaryRTBH> In other words do you think they listen more knowing you are a musician and not just a teacher? [15:04] <+AlexTSN> I then got degrees in English and in music. [15:04] <+AlexTSN> I don't play my TSN work for my students. I try to keep my public life and my professional life separate. [15:04] <+AlexTSN> Some of the students invariably find out about the band, [15:04] <+AlexTSN> which is fine [15:04] <+AlexTSN> but I don't encourage it. [15:05] <@SanctuaryRTBH> I can appreciate that. [15:06] <+AlexTSN> But sometimes the lines blur a little. One of my students at William & Mary was Nathaniel, who plays bass in In Tenebris and toured with Bella Morte; he had been familiar with my band before he had me as a professor. [15:07] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Did you find that worked better or worse in terms of educating him? [15:08] <@SanctuaryRTBH> ;) [15:08] <@WetBot> Now Playing: ThouShaltNot - Trench Warfare. [15:09] <+AlexTSN> It was mostly a non-issue. Like I said, I tend to keep TSN out of the classroom. It did mean that once the academic year was over, we could talk about a lot of the same things, and that I could give him examples of music theory in action that others might not know. When coming up with a good way to remember the sound of a descending minor 6th, he knew Apoptygma's "Kathy's Song" whereas others didn't, for example. [15:10] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Nice [15:10] <@SanctuaryRTBH> I noticed to that you've traveled around a lot to. In experiencing the different cultures and areas - do you find they've also influenced changes to you work? [15:11] <@SanctuaryRTBH> (Not so much that you've traveled) but actually lived in the places/ [15:12] <+AlexTSN> Indirectly, sure, in that I realize that many assumptions with which one might live with regard to music, communication, or modes of behavior are just culturally relative. [15:12] <+AlexTSN> And that influences the way I approach music and life in general. [15:12] <+AlexTSN> And sometimes I enjoy conceptually enjoy exploring the odder corners of such relativity in my music. [15:12] <@WetBot> Now Playing: Apoptygma Berzerk - KS. [15:13] <+AlexTSN> Heh. [15:13] <@Atnevon> Here's another one for you: [15:13] <@Atnevon> This one is for you specifically. How much have you done solo? How do those solo songs/experiences affect you and the band as a whole? [15:14] <+AlexTSN> I've probably recorded about 200 solo songs, though the vast majority of them are unreleased, and most of them should probably stay that way. [15:15] <+AlexTSN> Just two nights ago, I put down a pretty nice version of A Space Between by Legendary Pink Dots #03[15:15] * Guest64382 has joined #darksites.com [15:16] <+AlexTSN> I've got a solo EP called Better Roads that I put out, and it has some really nice pieces on it, I think. [15:16] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Hello guest - please do not be alarmed - you are in a temporarily modded chat. #02[15:16] * Guest64382 Quit (Connection Closed#) [15:16] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Why do you feel they should stay unreleased? [15:16] <+AlexTSN> By having a non-TSN outlet, it allows me to write any kind of music I want and not feel like I have to shoehorn it into a TSN sound [15:17] <+AlexTSN> a lot of it is just experiments in songwriting and recording [15:17] <+AlexTSN> after the next TSN record I'll be doing a big dirty old world folk album in earnest, [15:17] <+AlexTSN> and some very good songs will make it out to the public with that [15:18] <+AlexTSN> I don't want to saturate the market; I find it presumptuous to assume that just because you as an artist create something that others should give their time and attention (and money) to it [15:18] <+AlexTSN> I also like collections of songs to have a coherent identity [15:19] <+AlexTSN> so sometimes Song A will have to wait until songs B through K are written before it gets heard [15:20] <@SanctuaryRTBH> I noticed it in the interview question you answered about having to "Market" your self and that it feels dirty to you. What are ways fans can help to support you - not just in record buying - but other ideas you may have that you feel will help more indy artists, like you, get heard. [15:20] <@WetBot> Now Playing: ThouShaltNot - The Greater Good. [15:21] <@SanctuaryRTBH> By the way - I can appreciate the marketing aspects being difficult for the artist in many ways - so the honesty you presented in that - was - very much welcomed. [15:21] <+AlexTSN> I know that when I genuinely get excited about music, I want to play it for others. I make mix tapes and I tell people about an artist when I am psyched. [15:22] <+AlexTSN> And I know that some of my musical loves these days come from others having been similarly excited. [15:22] <+AlexTSN> I think that spreading the word is one of the better things one can do. [15:22] <@WetBot> Now Playing: ThouShaltNot - Strapped To The Bomb. [15:22] <@Atnevon> (I absolutely have to second Sanctuary on that one. It's very nice to hear that kind of honesty). [15:22] <+AlexTSN> Or if you're feeling more ambitious, try to get involved on a higher level, [15:23] <+AlexTSN> like by DJing, or promoting concerts [15:23] <+AlexTSN> Or talking on message boards about the band. You might be surprised by how many people lurk, waiting for a conversation to start. [15:24] <+AlexTSN> Or volunteering to remix, or just saying hi to the band [15:24] <+AlexTSN> my email address, btw, is s.alexander.reed [at] gmail [dot] com if anyone ever has more direct questions [15:24] <+AlexTSN> or if you're an artist, helping with fan art, videos, any of these things [15:25] <@SanctuaryRTBH> :) [15:25] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Speaking of concerts - any plans to tour in the near future? [15:25] <@WetBot> Now Playing: ThouShaltNot - Paint It Black (Live). [15:25] <+AlexTSN> I think that simply letting one's enthusiasm extend beyond oneself is the best thing you can do [15:25] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Passion being the key then :) [15:25] <@BigFoot> Note to Atnevon: make that mail addy unrecognizable for spambots spidering secondshifters [15:26] <@Atnevon> Will do RTB :) [15:26] <@SanctuaryRTBH> we no like spam bots :( [15:26] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Alex: Would you like us to add that email to your contact info on the band page we have for you? [15:26] <+AlexTSN> oh sure [15:27] <+AlexTSN> We are booking a summer tour across the US for late July early August. If anyone wants to help out, please contact me. [15:28] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Be sure to let us know if we can help in any way Alex! [15:28] <@Atnevon> Yes, definitely. We'd be glad to in any way we can :) [15:29] <+AlexTSN> Will do. Mostly, we're just looking for people willing to organize and promote shows anywhere, in case there's a would-be promoter in the chat room. :) [15:29] <@SanctuaryRTBH> :) [15:30] <@Atnevon> Our next question relates to your work with guest musicians: [15:30] <@Atnevon> You have worked with a lot of guest musicians. Why have you done that and what effect does that have on your work overall? [15:32] <+AlexTSN> I can't play all the instruments I'd like (though I am learning hammered dulcimer), and so if I need a string section, I get one. I think that real musicians bring something to a piece that a synth-based substitution often lacks. [15:32] <@WetBot> Now Playing: ThouShaltNot - Pesticide. [15:32] <+AlexTSN> But on the last two records, there's been a lot fewer guest artists. [15:32] <@WetBot> Now Playing: ThouShaltNot - Idol. [15:32] <+AlexTSN> The next album will likely have a full orchestra on a huge huge song called A Safer World [15:33] <+AlexTSN> which will be a 9 minute epic [15:33] <+AlexTSN> I've written about 18 songs for the next album [15:33] <@SanctuaryRTBH> omg [15:33] <+AlexTSN> of which maybe 12 will make the final cut [15:34] <+AlexTSN> the one I'm most excited about right now is called Goodnight London, but that's probably just because it's the most recently written [15:34] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Have you decided which orchestra you'd like to use? and when can we expect to see it ;) [15:34] <+AlexTSN> some other titles are Sixty Times, Search Party, Muscle Memory, Lost In Logic, Convincing [15:35] <+AlexTSN> probably just the musicians with whom I have the most day-to-day contact, meaning those at my college [15:35] <+AlexTSN> it's frankly much less of a hassle that way [15:36] <@SanctuaryRTBH> I imagine yes. [15:36] <@WetBot> Now Playing: ThouShaltNot - In Hopes of Flight. #03[15:37] * Guest43883 has joined #darksites.com [15:37] <+AlexTSN> Speaking of epic songs. [15:38] <+AlexTSN> Anyhow. [15:38] <@SanctuaryRTBH> lol [15:39] <@Atnevon> Okay, just a couple more questions here: [15:40] <+AlexTSN> sure thing [15:40] <@Atnevon> Another question involved a mention that was found on your website at www.thoushalt.net : [15:40] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Does I has to give him up? Already! ;) [15:40] <@Atnevon> In FAQs for the band, one of the facts on Alex is that Alex is a cutthroat Scrabble player and enjoys complex solutions to simple problems. Could he elaborate on the complex solutions to simple problems? What exactly does that mean and could he give an example? [15:40] <@BigFoot> Sanct make sense not [15:40] <@SanctuaryRTBH> nope - tis why you love me RTB [15:42] <@SanctuaryRTBH> One of the many reasons anyway :-p [15:42] <+AlexTSN> Hah. I just get cerebral enjoyment from unnecessarily complexity. why use Tupperware when you could use a steel bowl connected to an electromagnet, attracting a metal plate to cover it, using a vacuum cleaner siphon to keep away mold? [15:42] <@BigFoot> Yeah, you keep making up new ones. ;] [15:43] <+AlexTSN> A lot of my ambient mental activity, when left unchecked, reverts to elaborate weirdness. [15:43] <@BigFoot> The latter does seem like the better idea. [15:43] <+AlexTSN> I just like playing with ideas and convoluting them. #03[15:43] * Guest73665 has joined #darksites.com [15:44] <+AlexTSN> That's pretty much all that's meant by that line on our FAQ. #03[15:44] * Guest43883 is now known as megetz #03[15:44] * Guest73665 is now known as August #03[15:44] * August is now known as Guest31529 [15:44] <@SanctuaryRTBH> So in other words - you enjoy confusing people just to see what they'll do ;) I'm using the Tupperware :-p I'd blow myself up if I tried his way. ;) [15:45] <@SanctuaryRTBH> August - the name might be taken - try using a number with it :) [15:45] <+AlexTSN> More or less. I was a pretty obnoxious geek in middle school. I retroactively pity my teachers. #03[15:45] * Guest31529 is now known as AugustMasque [15:45] <@SanctuaryRTBH> don't be alarmed that you cant talk August - the chat is still temp modded [15:46] <+AlexTSN> If we wanted to unmod this, I'd be fine with a free-for-all [15:46] <+AlexTSN> but it's your call [15:46] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Geeks are good. Nothing wrong with that. Planning any letters of apology to those teachers? Or is pay back coming now ;) [15:46] <@BigFoot> Yeah well, beware of the Sanct glomps... they're nasty. ;] [15:46] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Nope your call actually - we do it to try to - keep it simple [15:47] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Atnevon want to unmod it #02[15:47] * megetz Quit (nexus.webchat.org java.webchat.org#) #02[15:47] * DeathFey Quit (nexus.webchat.org java.webchat.org#) #02[15:47] * Garrison Quit (nexus.webchat.org java.webchat.org#) #02[15:47] * Guest47639 Quit (nexus.webchat.org java.webchat.org#) #02[15:47] * +AlexTSN Quit (nexus.webchat.org java.webchat.org#) #02[15:47] * ArrrrghDontTakeMyNameTara Quit (nexus.webchat.org java.webchat.org#) #02[15:47] * Guest35209 Quit (nexus.webchat.org java.webchat.org#) #02[15:47] * JanRain Quit (nexus.webchat.org java.webchat.org#) #02[15:47] * @Atnevon Quit (nexus.webchat.org java.webchat.org#) #02[15:47] * @WetBot Quit (nexus.webchat.org java.webchat.org#) [15:47] <@SanctuaryRTBH> I think Alex might be the type that likes interaction ;) #03[15:47] * DeathFey has joined #darksites.com #03[15:47] * AlexTSN has joined #darksites.com #03[15:47] * Garrison has joined #darksites.com [15:47] <@SanctuaryRTBH> wb everyone that got booted but me [15:47] <@SanctuaryRTBH> (2008-04-26 15:49:23) SanctuaryRTBH: I think Alex might be the type that likes interaction ;) #03[15:47] * Atnevon has joined #darksites.com #03[15:47] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Atnevon #03[15:47] * BigFoot sets mode: +v AlexTSN #02[15:47] * AugustMasque Quit (Connection Closed#) #03[15:47] * Guest97448 has joined #darksites.com [15:47] <@Atnevon> eeep [15:47] <+AlexTSN> Oops. I hope I didn't just kill this. [15:47] <@SanctuaryRTBH> what the hell was that #03[15:48] * Guest97448 is now known as megetz [15:48] <@BigFoot> Netsplit :/ [15:48] <+AlexTSN> Did we lose the transcript? [15:48] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Alex - you killed everyone but me! [15:48] <@BigFoot> Time for -m Atnevon? [15:48] <@Atnevon> lol #03[15:48] * Atnevon sets mode: -m [15:48] <@SanctuaryRTBH> I was aloneeeeeeeeeeee [15:48] <@BigFoot> Alex: I'm logging as well. [15:48] <@Atnevon> transcript is okay :) [15:48] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Atnevon: (2008-04-26 15:49:23) SanctuaryRTBH: I think Alex might be the type that likes interaction ;) #06[15:48] * @Atnevon hugs Sanctuary [15:48] <@SanctuaryRTBH> *hugs atnevon* it was scary I was all alone and stuff and it was dark!!!!!!!!!!! [15:49] <@BigFoot> Ya know, I was there too. [15:49] <@SanctuaryRTBH> oh myth didn't get the boot either HA!!!!!!!! [15:49] <@Atnevon> Okay guys, the channel is now open to speak :) [15:49] <@SanctuaryRTBH> or RTB - but i didn't see him :-p [15:49] <@BigFoot> Hiding in the shadows... #06[15:49] * @BigFoot sneakily pokes Sanct #06[15:49] * @SanctuaryRTBH giggles [15:50] <@BigFoot> I'm totally expecting you to have the wrong ideas now O.o [15:50] <+AlexTSN> Or if you had any more questions, Sanct, you can ask as well [15:50] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Everyone gets quiet when we do this LOL [15:50] <@Atnevon> lol [15:50] <@SanctuaryRTBH> No Alex probably has the right ideas ;) [15:50] <@BigFoot> I asked mine, so Sanct is up. [15:50] <@BigFoot> *up next [15:50] <@SanctuaryRTBH> I always have questions - I just have to mod myself so I don't put anyone on the spot! I ahve a habit of asking very raw things. [15:51] <+AlexTSN> I lik raw. [15:51] <+AlexTSN> Like, rather [15:51] <+AlexTSN> I lick it too. [15:51] <@SanctuaryRTBH> See what happens - you stay around me long enough - you typo ;) [15:51] <+AlexTSN> Come on. Be a nasty question-asking tabloid paparzzi. [15:51] <@Atnevon> I had a question for you, related to that added complexity. It's kind of silly, and you may not remember off the top of your head, but I was curious how many layers of voices are in 100 Generations? [15:51] <@BigFoot> Or just be Sanct. [15:51] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Actually I had one about The ocean is your voice - I want to know what inspired you to write that. #06[15:52] * @SanctuaryRTBH beats the crap out of RTB's bad foot [15:52] <@Atnevon> ooopsie. you can take Sanct's first if you like :) I like that one. [15:52] <@BigFoot> ... [15:52] <+AlexTSN> 100 Generations has 10 vocal takes on the "Father Kill Your Daughter" lines, and one apiece on the "come here to me and" and "if you lose your eyes" sections [15:52] <+AlexTSN> so twelve [15:52] <@SanctuaryRTBH> no no sorry. SEEEEE [15:53] <+AlexTSN> The Ocean Is Your Voice is, in the grand tradition of sad slow songs, a breakup piece [15:53] <@SanctuaryRTBH> *sniffs* [15:53] <+AlexTSN> but it's a 90% rewrite of another song I wrote when I was 16 called The Pregnant Moon [15:54] <+AlexTSN> I wrote it before I was done with The Holiness of Now, and it was originally supposed to be on that album [15:54] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Okay thats a n interesting title - that really needs expressions of why? [15:54] <+AlexTSN> but we ran out of time [15:54] <+AlexTSN> the original of the song was just... crappy. [15:54] <+AlexTSN> Sometimes you have to rewrite things. [15:54] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Writing is rewriting. [15:55] <+AlexTSN> We Could Have Flown Like Pollen went through a ton of rewrites too. [15:55] <@SanctuaryRTBH> One thing is that a lot of the songs seems to have very deep undertones of spiritual things or hints of. Are you religious - or just spiritual or neither? [15:58] <+AlexTSN> my Facebook page lists me as a Rationalist Mystic Christian. I think my music is pretty firmly secular, but I'm sure that my world view creeps into the songs I write (why shouldn't it?). Other band members are Buddhist and atheist. I try not to be parochial in my spiritual life. [15:58] <@SanctuaryRTBH> I think I scared him :-p #02[15:58] * MythHorn Quit (QUIT: User exited#) [15:58] <@SanctuaryRTBH> oops maybe not :) [15:59] <+AlexTSN> I am socially very liberal, fiscally conservative, and have a mild libertarian bent. I am science-minded, but I try to be compassionate, and despite evidence to the contrary, I do believe that there's a lot more than is immediately visible in the world. [15:59] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Rationalist Mystic Christian - interesting terms to choose. Rational and Mystic almost seem at odds with each other. [16:00] <+AlexTSN> Yes. They do. [16:00] <+AlexTSN> *shrug* [16:00] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Do you think maybe science just hasn't the ability yet to explain what isn't immediately visible? [16:01] <@SanctuaryRTBH> We are all walking contradictions - nothing wrong with that :) [16:02] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Oh i have to do this - I have to - Forgive me - String theory - what do you think of it Alex? #03[16:02] * Guest10172 has joined #darksites.com [16:02] <@SanctuaryRTBH> oh no the toaster is back! [16:02] Now Playing: Thou Shalt Not - We Could Have Flown Like Pollen. [16:02] <@Atnevon> @identify #03[16:02] * Guest10172 is now known as WetBot #03[16:02] * ChanServ sets mode: +o WetBot [16:02] <@WetBot> Identified! [16:02] <@Atnevon> sheeee's baaack [16:02] <@Atnevon> lolo [16:02] <@Atnevon> lol* [16:03] <@WetBot> VAMPIRE!!!!!! [16:03] <@SanctuaryRTBH> TOASTER! [16:03] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Glorified toaster at best :-p [16:03] <+AlexTSN> I like the idea in string theory that matter does not exist as matter per se, but that in fact everything only exists by virtue of probabilities and proximities relative to other probabilities and proximities. It feeds very well into some of the more aggressive strains of postmodernism. [16:04] <+AlexTSN> But I don't have the physics background to weigh in on whether it is a good model of the universe or not. [16:04] <@SanctuaryRTBH> ME either. I wish I did. [16:04] <+AlexTSN> It certainly jives well with some of the ways that I both explicitly and intuitively view the world though, and so the consonance sits well with me. [16:05] <+AlexTSN> I almost went into physics, alas. [16:05] <@SanctuaryRTBH> I'm not surprised to hear that. [16:05] <@Atnevon> What stopped you? [16:06] <+AlexTSN> It was impossible to finish both a physics degree and a music degree in four years [16:06] <@WetBot> Now Playing: ThouShaltNot - Credo. [16:06] <+AlexTSN> so I chose music, for better or for worse [16:07] <@Atnevon> You've definitely got a lot of talent in the subject :) #03[16:07] * Guest66087 has joined #darksites.com [16:07] <+AlexTSN> the sample in the currently playing song is from Penderecki. We had to get clearance from him to use it, but hew and his publishing company were very gracious about it. #03[16:08] * Guest70649 has joined #darksites.com [16:08] <@Atnevon> That's good of them :) [16:08] <@Atnevon> welcome guests :) to change your nicks, type in: /nick [16:08] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Does it surprise you that most people think of creative talents as thought of as emotionally rather than logic based? [16:08] <@SanctuaryRTBH> And yes its very good of them. [16:09] <+AlexTSN> I think that a lot of creative impulse is emotional #03[16:09] * Guest66087 is now known as Adeline [16:09] <+AlexTSN> but until you harness it with the other half of your brain, you'll have a hard time getting the results you want [16:09] <@SanctuaryRTBH> hi adeline [16:09] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Have you done remixes for other bands? [16:09] <+AlexTSN> Oh yes [16:09] Hiya [16:10] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Any favs? [16:10] <+AlexTSN> published remixes by us include those done for Alphaville, Stromkern, The Last Dance, Hungry Lucy (2), Furnace St. [16:10] <+AlexTSN> maybe a few others [16:10] <+AlexTSN> we've done mixes for Cruxshadows and Iris too, but those are currently unreleased [16:10] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Atnevon - do we have one on here with TSN and Hl? [16:10] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Crux? [16:10] <@WetBot> Now Playing: ThouShaltNot - Dying Boy. [16:10] <@SanctuaryRTBH> What remix? [16:11] <+AlexTSN> we remixed Stay and Telltale Shot [16:11] <@SanctuaryRTBH> unreleased - noooooooooooooooooooooo [16:11] <@SanctuaryRTBH> bad [16:11] <+AlexTSN> for the Cruxshadows we remixed Cassandra [16:11] <@Atnevon> Let me take a look see. I'd love to hear them. [16:11] <+AlexTSN> Tell Rogue to release the Cassandra mix. I think it's good. [16:11] <@SanctuaryRTBH> I will gladly twist his arm [16:12] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Begging might work too. [16:13] <@SanctuaryRTBH> As you both are with Ferret are you not? [16:13] <@Atnevon> aha! found one :) [16:13] <+AlexTSN> Yes we are. [16:13] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Good job Atnevon! [16:13] <+AlexTSN> We're also working on a remix for Information Society right now [16:14] <@SanctuaryRTBH> another name I've not heard in awhile [16:14] <+AlexTSN> We played a show with them in January [16:14] <+AlexTSN> it was a blast [16:15] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Where haven't you preformed that you want to? [16:15] <@WetBot> Now Playing: Hungry Lucy - Telltale Shot. [16:15] <+AlexTSN> The UK. [16:15] <@SanctuaryRTBH> London? [16:16] <@SanctuaryRTBH> or another part of the Uk [16:16] <@SanctuaryRTBH> or the whoe lthing lol [16:16] <+AlexTSN> We have a lot of UK fans, but not many in Germany or the continent, and so it's hard to justify going over there to play just one or two shows [16:16] <+AlexTSN> Ireland, Scotland, London, Manchester, wherever [16:16] <@SanctuaryRTBH> :) [16:17] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Manchester has a awesome music scene. [16:17] <+AlexTSN> Historically for sure. I'm less familiar with it now. [16:18] <@SanctuaryRTBH> See everyone is so quite/me slaps the room [16:18] <@Atnevon> silly people [16:18] <@Atnevon> I think Canada... around Toronto might be a good spot to go ;) [16:18] <@WetBot> Now Playing: The Last Dance - Voices. [16:18] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Its still very much the same that way Alex. Lots of indy bands and experimental music. [16:18] <@SanctuaryRTBH> I do tooooooooo [16:18] <@SanctuaryRTBH> or Bufflao :-D [16:19] <@Atnevon> buffalo would be perfect :) #06[16:19] * @SanctuaryRTBH wonders who she knows there [16:19] <+AlexTSN> I like this remix I did for The Last Dance [16:19] <@SanctuaryRTBH> I know a couple of club owners in TO [16:19] <+AlexTSN> the original song was in another key [16:19] <+AlexTSN> and we kept the melody mostly the same, so he's just in a different place with reference to the scale. [16:19] <@Atnevon> I'm liking it too. I think we'll have to play it more :) [16:20] Have you ever performed in Florida? [16:20] <+AlexTSN> it gets big and futurepoppy by the end [16:20] <+AlexTSN> I live in Florida right now [16:20] <+AlexTSN> haven't performed here yet [16:20] <@SanctuaryRTBH> *nods* Actually I hadn't heard this version before *hangs head* I like it better actually. [16:20] <+AlexTSN> but we'll be doing a Gainesville show probably in early August [16:20] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Well I bet its a bit harder with the band spread out too. [16:20] <+AlexTSN> yes [16:20] <+AlexTSN> much harder [16:21] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Plus working in other areas too right now - limits you all a little for the time being [16:21] <@Atnevon> It sounds like you guys might do things with putting music together almost the same way we setup this interview... or am I getting the wrong impression? [16:21] <@SanctuaryRTBH> I don't think people appreciate or understand fully the work and arranging that goes into performing and setting it up. [16:22] <+AlexTSN> Yes, a bit. We record parts in different places at different times [16:22] <@WetBot> Now Playing: Lunascape - Mindstalking. [16:22] <+AlexTSN> though usually we'll get together a few times for a week while making an album [16:23] <+AlexTSN> oh I forgot about this mix we did. I like the Lunascape one too. [16:23] <+AlexTSN> I play bass on this one. [16:23] <@SanctuaryRTBH> :) [16:25] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Is it strange to hear music you've created after some time? Are you picking it apart thinking what you could do better or do you accept a piece once you've finalized it? [16:25] <+AlexTSN> A bit of both. I wish the mix had been cleaner on, well, all of our records [16:25] <+AlexTSN> and there are a few little things that bug me here and there, [16:25] <+AlexTSN> but for the most part I'm happy with how things turn out [16:26] <+AlexTSN> I don't listen to my own music super often, because you hear an album a hundred times while you're making it [16:26] <+AlexTSN> and some things, particularly most of the first album and YWUY are a little embarrassing at this point, [16:26] <@WetBot> Now Playing: ThouShaltNot - Falling Sky. [16:26] <+AlexTSN> but it's always a neat reminder of where I was when I wrote the music [16:27] <+AlexTSN> Anyhow, I must be off very soon, alas [16:27] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Good. Cause I imagine creatively you might drive yourself mad otherwise. [16:27] <@SanctuaryRTBH> what don't you like about those? For me - they sound great - though sadly - I have zero musical talent of my own. [16:27] <+AlexTSN> Some of them sound good, [16:27] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Yes you have things to mark MEEP! #02[16:28] * Guest70649 Quit (Connection reset by peer#) [16:28] <@Atnevon> I know I speak for both Sanctuary and I when I say it truly has been an honor having you good sir. [16:28] <+AlexTSN> but some songs just make very little sense... I was really into Skinny Puppy when I was a teenager, along with Tori Amos, and so a lot of our early lyrics, for example, are a weird hybrid of the two that I'm not really convinced works very well [16:28] <+AlexTSN> thanks very much [16:28] <+AlexTSN> it has been a pleasure to be here [16:28] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Well I beg to differ on the working well! [16:28] <+AlexTSN> I'd love to have a transcript of the chat [16:28] <+AlexTSN> Thanks [16:28] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Dont worry - we correct typos. Else I eat Atnevon [16:28] <+AlexTSN> Great. [16:28] <+AlexTSN> I'll talk to you all later [16:28] <+AlexTSN> thanks very much for having me here [16:29] <+AlexTSN> Farewell all. [16:29] <@SanctuaryRTBH> I'm glad you stayed as long as you did as I know you're very busy. :) [16:29] <@SanctuaryRTBH> Bye for now Alex :)